Curse

gameshoes3003 · Jul 09, 2009, 07:52 AM // 07:52

As many of you who own Prophecies and Factions know, Factions has many skills which are similar to the ones in Prophecies.
Vampiric Touch = Vampiric Bite
Galrath Slash = Silverwing Slash
Etc, etc, etc...
Then Nightfall came out, and guess what? None of the skills were exactly like the previous ones (correct me if I'm wrong on that).
Though this may take quite a bit of work, the proposed idea is to have the Factions skills which are the exact same as the ones from Prophecies to be changed.
Yes this could be a rather pain in the ass, but still other than touchers wanting Vampiric Touch and Vampiric Bite, who's going to use Jamei's Gaze and Healer Other in the same bar? Factions needs some diversity in its skills.
ANET has already done a massive change to many skills (though some may beg to differ), and this could just be another side project.
Yeah, yeah, I can rant on forever, but I made my point already.
Change Factions skills which are identical to those in Prophecies.

Andemius · Jul 09, 2009, 09:48 AM // 09:48

I think these skills are included because factions does not have many of it's own skills, other than Rit/Sin.

I'm not too bothered, I think it helps ppl who have only factions and, sorry to say it, but what would it change, I can't see any problem with Duplicate Skills.

Archress Shayleigh · Jul 09, 2009, 10:05 AM // 10:05

They aren't so powerful, sometimes they help, it would be unfair for those owning only factions, and it's a complete waste of ANet's time while they could be doing more useful things.
/not signed

thetechx · Jul 09, 2009, 10:19 AM // 10:19

ive used crystal wave and tenai's wave at the same time on several occasions when soloing.

/notsigned

KoKoS · Jul 09, 2009, 10:25 AM // 10:25

what will the touchers do in PvP?! D=

/notsigned xD

Arduin · Jul 09, 2009, 10:29 AM // 10:29

I use Zojun's Haste and Dodge in one bar....

What about people with Factions only, they get a lot of their skills revised, without having access to the Prophecies version.

Pleikki · Jul 09, 2009, 10:33 AM // 10:33

/notsigned,

I like using define enchantments and desecrate enchantments in sum builds.

Chocobo1 · Jul 09, 2009, 10:38 AM // 10:38

Pretty sure it's because they wanted Factions to be a stand alone game like Proph. Some "essential" skills were included with different names so that Factions only people weren't disadvantaged.

paddymew · Jul 09, 2009, 10:47 AM // 10:47

It would be a lot of work to change something that everyone but you is content with.

/notsigned

the Puppeteer · Jul 09, 2009, 12:14 PM // 12:14

And anet wants ppl to buy only 1 game?
they need money!

I'm surprised they didn't change them already to force ppl to buy all games

Shayne Hawke · Jul 09, 2009, 12:16 PM // 12:16

There was no real need in the first place to have duplicate skills, and ANet seems to have abandoned the idea of doing so, because they didn't create any with Nightfall.

With changing them, however, I can't help but think that ANet will create some skill of little or too much worth, and it would almost undoubtedly be a PvE-split skill.

/notsigned

draxynnic · Jul 09, 2009, 12:31 PM // 12:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocobo1

Pretty sure it's because they wanted Factions to be a stand alone game like Proph. Some "essential" skills were included with different names so that Factions only people weren't disadvantaged.

Plus, it was also part of their original design that they would have some (non-elite) skills which had multiple copies, allowing the use of bars that, well, had multiple copies of the same skill.

That said, they could make the 'duplicate' skills something that is functionally very similar, but has some tweak to it so that it isn't totally identical. There are some Nightfall skills with this behaviour, for instance (ex. In a pinch, you can use Steelfang as a Galrath/Silverwing counterpart).

So... ambivalent.

ajc2123 · Jul 09, 2009, 12:56 PM // 12:56

/signed only if they do it right.

Duplicate skills are quite silly now.

Romulus F · Jul 09, 2009, 01:18 PM // 13:18

/notsigned

anet has enough on its plate without looking for something that really isnt a problem

MithranArkanere · Jul 09, 2009, 02:09 PM // 14:09

I won't mind functionality changes for them, as long as the changes are not far away from the original.

For example, Teinai's Heat could deal burning once to each enemy that moves inside the Heat, while Searing Heat keeps the burning as end effect. Teinai's Prison could end if the enemy takes lightning damage instead fire, Teinai's Crystal could remove hexes instead conditions, and Teina's Wind could knockdown enemies casting instead attacking.

Targren · Jul 09, 2009, 02:16 PM // 14:16

No point to it, and the new functionality would, doubtless, be inferior to the current.

/notsigned

s t e e · Jul 09, 2009, 02:59 PM // 14:59

/notsigned
Duplicate skills rock end of discussion.

Dont Nerf The Perma · Jul 09, 2009, 03:43 PM // 15:43

/notsigned --

IronSheik · Jul 09, 2009, 04:00 PM // 16:00

/signed, the only two that are moderately still used are the touch skills and Tenai's/Searing in the same bar.
Crystal Wave and Tenai's only see use at vaettirs.

majikmajikmajik · Jul 09, 2009, 05:02 PM // 17:02

/notsigned, a few soloing builds that are easy to get skills/equipment wouldnt work if this happened.
instead of changing used skills, why not change the ones that arnt.